Category Archives: Domain Sales

Harsh Lesson in Domain Liquidity

This week I learned a harsh lesson in domain liquidity – AND THE MARKET DOESN’T LIE.  I needed an extra bit of cash in the war chest so I put some domains up for a “quick sale”.  Ask yourself – if you needed an extra bit of cash, could you sell some domains and turn them into “cash” within 24 – 48 hours??  THAT is domain liquidity!

I was suprised at what sold, what didn’t sell, and the emotional ups and downs of trying to sell quickly.

Firstly, I think being able to turn some of your domain portfolio into “quick cash” is important.  It’s important to have cash to take advantage of opportunities. Opportunities come along, whether it’s a deal to get that premium .com you wanted, or other investment opportunities in things like stocks, businesses opportunities, etc.  If you can’t participate, their is a cost to “losing out” on the opportunity – it’s called “Opportunity Cost” and it is real.  (It’s real painful as I’ve found out.).  When you don’t have enough extra cash on hand to take advantage of another opportunity you lose out, you lose out on the chance to grow - and grow faster!

This week I missed out on an opportunity because I wasn’t able to generate enough “quick cash”.  I had to judge how much value was I willing to sell in my portfolio (and at what price). How important was that opportunity I was looking at?  Was it more important than the domains I was selling? I’ll never know because I didn’t reach my target sales, haha!

Now, some things I learned, and some observations about trying to sell some domains quickly.

The Market Changes – when you are trying to sell domains quickly the market dynamics change.  The potential Buyers change, and the criteria of what is considered a valuable domain changes.  It is very difficult to engage an end-user for a very quick sale (1 – 2 days). So your pool of potential Buyers shifts to someone with ready cash looking for opportunities that can close quickly = domain investers (domainers). End users may be interested in the “brandability” of your domain, or its relevance to their market niche, while  a domainer may be more interested in the amount of traffic or search volume that particular domain may get,  to evaluate whether it’s a good product/service keyword domain for example (their are numerous niches of domain markets). And as important – the price.  The quicker the sale – the lower the price.  This is just the market speaking.

Are Your Domains Really Worth as Much as You Think They Are?? – How much do you think you could get?…I mean if you wanted to sell that domain today, not in a week, but in 24 hours.  Who would buy it?  How would you sell it?  Do you know someone who would buy it from you quickly, or do you know where you could advertise it to sell quickly? Would it even sell at all?  The biggest delusion we may have when trying to sell quickly is thinking that we have “gems” and still trying to get close to end-user pricing. (We’ve all done it!).  Remind yourself, a Buyer needs incentive to buy a domain quick for cash, which usually means they can buy your good domain at a price low enough that they can still make money off of it.

This Part is Painful - lowering the price of my domain so it would sell quickly.  It’s hard to look at that “end-user” price and get rid of a decimal point.

The Market Doesn’t Lie – it’s always an education for me on what sells and what doesn’t and how fast. Sometimes the silence speaks volumes!  I contacted a few domain Buyers I thought may be interested in my list for sale – no response. I contacted a different group of Buyers that had purchased similar domains from me before - no response. Why weren’t they selling?  The answer > either my price was too high, or I wasn’t giving the Buyers the type of domains they wanted.

I posted domains for sale on forums where I knew Buyers frequented daily. As an example -  I put up a good two-word dotcom for sale at a great price and no one bites.  And then I put up a .info for sale, almost as an afterthought and IT SELLS WITHIN 1 HOUR!  The difference?  The buyers of the .info were purchasing based on keyword value of the service domain, and while the two-word .com was an impressive geo “brand”, it’s not what the Buyers were in the market for. Result “.com brand” = no sale, and the “keyword .info” SOLD in 1 HOUR!  

I admit, in this case, I was totally wrong on what the market would value these two domains at.  The result is a good reminder for me of “what sells” – THE MARKET DOESN’T LIE.

Before I end this post I want to give a quick “thank you” to two other domain bloggers that partially inspired this post.  Morgan Linton ran a contest recently where he would give someone “liquidity” by buying their domain according to his specific criteria of what he (the Buyer” was looking for). You can read more about that at his blog MorganLinton.com

Also DomainShane.com hit the nail on the head in one of his recent posts – “There is liquidity. If you have a solid domain there are enough markets to sell through. Whether it be Sedo, Afternic, Namejet, Godaddy, Newsletters, and even the forums, there are plenty of places to move your names. They may not get you the top dollar of an end user but they still provide an opportunity to flip for profit. If you have names that don’t move in these markets you may want to take a look at the type of names that you have.”

Thanks to Morgan and Shane for sharing information on domain liquidity in their blogs. And remember – The Market Doesn’t Lie.

Weekly Domain Sales Reports

Here are links to this weeks reports of domain name sales from some of the bigger market places (Afternic, Sedo, Godaddy). 

AfternicDLS – Weekly Domains Sales Breakdown and Sample -

Domain sales for the week of 4/23/12 – 4/29/12

 Chart-toppers for the week included:

Cyts.com $ 15,200.00
Untouched.com $ 11,750.00
EcommerceFulfillment.com $ 11,000.00
Multitravel.com $ 11,000.00

A larger listing of AfternicDLS sales was published at TheDomains.com blog. It lists out many of the sold domains to prices as low as $1,000.

HybridDomainer.com comments on the Godaddy monthly sale report here. > “Go Daddy monthly sales report led by Rover.com at $40,000 total sales volume down”

DomainShane.com published a list of top domain sales this past week at Sedo here on his blog.    Top Sales included:

  •  Sommerhus.dk $115,718
  •  directcremation.com    20000    USD
  • plan-net.com    18000    EUR
  • viagame.com    14000    USD
  • gofurther.com    10000    USD
  • roig.com    9500    USD

 And of course Ron Jackson at DnJournal.com publishes his weekly summary of the Top Domain Sales that are reported. As stated on his site “Every Wednesday we publish the highest reported domain name sales for the previous week.”

By scanning these lists you can get some idea of top domain sales across the industry. Keep in mind that these are only “reported” domain sales, as some larger sales may not be publicly reported.  Some sales may be kept private for varied reasons, such as the Buyer not wanting to reveal their acquisitions because it may reveal strategy. Enjoy!

Selling a Few .COM Domains

I am looking to sell a few .com domains of mine listed below.  Email me with your best offer !   All currently registered at Moniker.com.   

TradingUpdates.com

FallExpo.com 

RenoExpo.com

RenovatingSecrets.com

Pro-Swing.com

AmericaIntl.com

Email:  jim (at) domainassets.ca

 

 

 

No Domain “Pipe Dreams” – Are you Selling or Not?

Today I read about a domainer who had enough of “the pipe dream” of the domain industry and was getting out. They were struggling to sell domain names and decided to leave the industry.

I would like to see every entrepreneur succeed in their business, but when one makes the tough decision to move on – there is something to be learned for everyone.  Don’t fool yourself.

Is your business making money or not?  That’s a hard question to ask yourself when things aren’t going the way you would like. If your business model is based on “flipping” domain names – are you making sales?

Today was also the day that the new weekly report of domain sales from DN Journal came out.  DN Journal draws up a weekly list of top reported domain sales across the main domain extensions such as .com and country code domains, etc.  It’s one of the best sources to see what kinds of domains are selling and at what prices. It’s a good learning tool…..but it can also be deceptive. 

The thing about this list…..it can be frustrating to read about certain domain sales that don’t particularly make sense – except to the buyer.  Especially if you have  a similar domain to one that has sold for a large sum, and you’ve never even received an offer on your “great” domain.  That’s the thing, sales figures for some sales can be understood, the value is apparent. But with some sales, it’s hard to understand.  And most importantly, you cannot apply a “comparable” price to your domain. Don’t fool yourself, or give yourself false hopes. 

That’s part of the lesson our former domainer was leaving us. It wasn’t working for them, so they were leaving.  Make sure the rest of us don’t get wrapped up in false hopes. “Hoping” someone makes you an offer and you sell a domain is not a strategy.

That’s the double-edged sword about trying to flip domains. There is always the potential to “strike it big” with a big sale. But, just like the gold rush, others with “gold fever” leave the domain industry downtrodden and disenchanted because they spent alot and sold little.

There are many business models to make money with domains, just as there are on the larger internet. And really, in my opinion, while it all “starts” with a domain name, they are really just a small piece of the bigger puzzle when building a real business.  If your business model is selling domain names, be sure YOU ARE SELLING. It’s easy to collect names that never sell, or fool ourselves that we are “investing” and by holding for the long term we will get a big payday. 

As many a wise business person has said > Sell something now – take care of your immediate needs first. Then grow. Don’t let the dreams of the weekly domain sales lists prevent us from taking a hard look at our own businesses and see if we are really reaching our goals or not.

And if we are not, then CHANGE. Let’s face reality and make business decisions that need making – No Pipe Dreams.

 

“Zero Click” Ads on Sedo.com Parked Domains

I recently noticed some “zero click” ads appearing on a couple domains I have parked at Sedo.com   And a few posts on Twitter by other domain owners seemed to back this up.

What does this mean for domain owners?

What are “zero click” ads?  “Zero click ads” happen when you visit a domain name and are redirected to an advertisment without having to click on any ads.  For example, if you typed a domain name into your Brower window and went to that domain it would then take you seamlessly to a landing page for the company paying for that traffic (ie. Groupon, etc). That is why it is called “zero click” – you don’t have to click on any ads. It’s automatic.

This is very important for domain owners for two reasons.

One, we all want to be paid the highest we can for traffic we sell. I don’t know the ramifications of sending all the traffic from a domain I own to one single advertiser. Does this mean they are buying the traffic for more than another advertiser would be willing to pay? The positive side of having zero-click ads on my domain is that it is making some revenue, maybe more than if it was not using these ads.

Secondly, this is important because having your domains on zero-click means the “this domain may be for sale” link will not appear to visitors to your domain (because they are taken directly to the advertisers page). Selling domains is an important part of my strategy, so its not acceptable to me that visitors to my domain would not see a “this domain may be for sale” link. How can I sell the domain if visitors don’t know it’s for sale and have a system to purchase it?  Sedo.com does offer a “Sales Lander” template in their parking optimization options – so switching solely to that option may be solve that problem. Other alternatives is to abandon the sedo.com listing and build my own landing page, or switch parking providers, etc.

What do you think?  Are “zero click” ads causing a problem for your domain sales strategy, and what can we do about it?

Responding to Buyer Emails – Part II

How do you respond to that “mystery” gmail sent from a potential buyer who wants to know if your domain is for sale?

In Part I, we noted that many times a potential buyer will use a gmail or hotmail email address to mask their identity. This gives them some power in the negotiation. Our job, as Sellers, is to do some research and ask questions to find out who the buyer may be.

Now, how do we respond to that email enquiry?   The Buyer’s initial message is usually something like “I wanted to know if your _____.com domain is for sale? and if it is, how much?”.

You have a lot of different options for the way you respond. Most importantly, ask yourself some questions – that will determine your own strategy.

- Are you motivated or unmotivated? If you want to sell the domain quickly to generate cash for your business, it’s best to reply stating a fair price. If you are not motivated, you can try holding out for a good offer by replying “make me a fair offer”, or “make me an offer in  $____ range”.

- Who will name a price first? Let them state a price first. Remember, they contacted you. Assuming you don’t have the domain listed for a set price elsewhere, you can say you are open to offers. Letting them make an offer first sets the range of their budget and gives you the advantage in the negotiation.

- What is a “fair” price? This means different things to different people. But think about what sale price will make you happy, what is a fair market value, what “return” do you want on your investment, what is the Buyer willing (or able) to pay. Take these into consideration.

- What level of risk will you take? Are you willing to lose the sale if you don’t get your price? If you have a great domain, there may be other buyers coming, but if your domain is not a “premium” domain and has a limited pool of buyers, think hard about your strategy so you don’t “blow” the sale.

Being an “unmotivated seller” can bring you larger sales (with the higher risk of losing sales), while selling quicker will help you sell more domains, but you may be leaving some money on the table. In the end, choose a strategy that fits where your immediate needs are.  And lastly, be professional and follow through on your commitments. 

If you want to learn more about negotiating your domain sales, visit some of these sites for tips:

DomainSherpa.com – Michael Cyger has some great interviews with domain investors on strategies they use to sell their domains

DNFcollege.com – Adam Dicker has created a community with a wealth of resources on domain name training.

 

When a Domain Buyer Emails you Using Gmail – Part I

Have you received an email from someone interested in buying your domain that contacted you using a Gmail address (or other free service like hotmail)? 

If you have, stop and think strategy before replying. Recently I’ve had a few of those email enquiries. The person emailed me using a Gmail email address and said they were interested in purchasing a domain I had. The message was pretty standard – “I’m interested in buying your XYZ.com domain. Is it for sale, and if so, how much?”

Let’s break this down a bit to understand the Buyer’s strategy.  What kind of business uses a Gmail account? I mean “really”?!  For anyone using gmail to contact you about buying your domain there are a few possibilities:

1) They are hiding their identity to get a better price - they are using a gmail account so they don’t reveal their true business identity to you. This could be because they don’t want you to know what company they represent (because if you did, you would have a better idea of why they wanted the domain and what kind of budget they had). 

2) They are hiding their identity because they have ulterior motives – perhaps they intend on finding more information about you the owner, or maybe they intend to try to seize your property through UDRP.

3) Again, they are trying to get a better price – maybe they’ve seen your “this domain may be for sale” parked page and already know the listed price you are asking for the domain. If they contacted you directly (and anonymously using GMail) they may think they can get a better deal.

4) They don’t know any better or don’t have a domain - maybe the person is a private individual, or a small business that does use Gmail as their everyday address. This may be, but if that’s the case, they will be honest about who they represent and provide you with more information.

The bottom-line is when potential domain Buyers use GMail to email you, they may be hiding their identity and that gives them power in the negotiation ( to possibly keep the acquisition price low). Your job when you reply is to find out more information about who the potential Buyer really is, what company do they work for (or who are they representing).  When you reply to their email, ASK.   It’s your domain and they are contacting you because they are interested, so the least you could expect is to know who is asking.

Importantly – you can also do your own RESEARCH before replying.  Google their gmail address and see if that same email appears in any other interesting discussions about domain names or links. Or by googling it, the email address may appear linked to an individual at a company which will help you put the puzzle pieces together. Or Google just the name in the Gmail address and that may lead you somewhere.

Knowing who you are dealing with is an important part of the negotiation process, and ultimately it may help you get a better price for your domain. When someone contacts you using a GMail address, they are trying to gain the upper hand in the negotiation. Don’t let them have the upper hand on you - do some research, ask who the buyer is and communicate on an equal footing.

In PART II of this post, I’ll follow up with some tips about what to say in your reply.

 

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